Paul makes this claim: Paul would like you to think that doctrines that Jesus did not teach (eg. Hi Mark, It refers to “The Law” which means the Law of Moses — the religious legal system in Leviticus and Exodus and Numbers that was the religious and civil law of the Hebrews. I want to agree with the author; I don’t want to be Paul’s defender, but I am not only not swayed by the author’s arguments about Paul, I’m turned off by them, and I don’t like that. Mt 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? Verses have been taken out of complete context, and to hint that the Gnostics understood the teachings of Christ is misleading. Sure, Jesus doesn’t jump in and minimize the importance of faith (nor does James, later), but they make it clear by its omission that it is not an element of salvation. Now it seems you have missed the point. I suggest you read it before you continue to embarrass yourself with silly statements. James is the author of the epistle of James, which he wrote somewhere between A.D. 50 and A.D. 60. Hello? If others are not aware of his work, it is a reflection on them, not on any supposition that King himself changed at all. But Danizier, Like many Progressives, you then to lean toward humanism. I agree with a lot that you have said, tho of course we do have to realise that Paul was only human and not “The son of God”, in the same way that Jesus was., and Paul was therefore likely to have misapprehensions and misunderstandings in his interpretations of Jesus, yet still to be used by God to do great works. (verse 22) “Then pleased it the apostles and elders, WITH THE WHOLE CHURCH, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabus, namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, CHIEF MEN among the brethren:” They even included a letter saying they didn’t want to burden them unnecessarily, only to “abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication.” Not bad considering there are 613 commandments in the OT. I have been going at it with a few of them. Islam is a fascinating subject, but it is a subject for a different forum. The same thing also applies to the many Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, Jews and Pagans who express deep compassion in their lives who Jesus’ teaching welcomes into Eternal Glory, but who Paul consigns to eternal flames of Hell. On a third corner, alone, all by himself, stands Jesus — who, despite his lip service protestations of affinity to the Law of Moses and the Abrahamic sky god, completely rewrites the law and the deity into one of love, compassion-driven good deeds and makes it the absolute cornerstone — the most foundational, central principle — on which salvation is based. He would like yo. Jesus' Words as Primary Focus for Christians. Not a rule. Before I begin to answer your response, I would like to know what is Jesus Christ to you? https://danizier.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/bloody-human-sacrifice-atonement-mythology/, Pingback: 24 Things Your Pastor Didn’t Tell You – Michael Coward's Blog, Pingback: Jesus, James, and the Apostle Paul: One Strong Message | Effectual Calling, Pingback: Christianity: An Appraisal | Neuro Therapy For Christian Brain, Pingback: What Gospel did Paul preach? And of course, as fellow Jews (but lacking Paul’s status as a highly-educated dual Jewish/Roman citizen of means and papers for travel), Jesus and James also would feel the same cultural influences as Paul. The avatar icon is not actually a “goat”; it is supposed to represent the Faun, Tumnus, from the children’s fantasy “The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe,” written as an allegory by Christian apologist C. S. Lewis as a fable to teach Christianity to Children. Thank you for sharing your similar observations about the renegade “apostle” Paul and your kind words. You have to be very careful about how you read a section of scripture. Now, I know my instincts about Paul were right on. His brother, James, says we are saved by WORKS and NOT FAITH. His words were different than before. What a bunch of crap, Sam. Thank you Cindy, very well said. but light came into the world. Jack, obviously I am in agreement with you, but this point is examined in much more detail, along the same lines you suggest, in my page on the atonement mythology of human sacrifice. “Jesus and James would have been exposed to the same cultural influences” I should have seen it myself. Dave – I never said, nor did I imply, that the basis of me calling her an atheist was her lack of theological prowess. There is no prophecy in the Old Testament that unambiguously predicts the coming of Jesus, as a “messiah” or otherwise. The over arching message is in conflict. Thank you sir. Faith is extremely important to salvation. of his times , and making mistakes in interpretation? I clearly note that both Paul and Jesus/James extoll the virtues of both faith and works and do so repeatedly. Grant it at the time there were quite a few abuses in the Catholic church. Jesus was teaching to the masses and creating the seeds of truth for all of us. Do as I say, not as I did. The same Greek word pistis is used by both Paul and James for the word that all versions of both passages translated as “faith.” James is clearly rebutting Paul’s scandalous undermining of Jesus’ teachings. The time was very nearly the same. Jesus teaches to follow/imitate Him. Paul wrote: I you have heard similar explanations for the apparent contradictions between Jesus, the twelve Apostles and Paul and rejected them, I have nothing more to offer. You did it again, my dear Danizier. Well said Danizier. And since adherence to the Law of Moses was not necessary for Abraham, strict adherence to the Law is not necessary for new believers today. The worst part of the con artist Clergy who hates the doctrines of honesty and grace is that they want to make you into a paranoid nutcase teaching you that you’re going to have your neck placed in a guillotine and put in a concentration camp and that you may cave and be cast into hell for taking the mark of the beast. And if you read through the comments, they reflect a wide variety of viewpoints, from Christians who are very conservative to those who are very liberal, to those who are non-believers, to those of different faiths other than Christian (Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism or nature religions such as Wicca). As for faith leading to action, that is addressed in the article. Again, your point is utterly irrelevant. Most conservatives lie somewhere in the middle of these extremes….what defines a conservative christian is simply their belief that the bible is God’s word….but how to interpret that word…even if you believe it is divinely inspired…I am only speaking here regarding this one issue….on this issue…conservative christians are all over the place…few, though hold exclusively to Paul’s teaching and most conservative christians I know…and i know quite a few….LOVE the book of James….with the exception perhaps of the first few verses of chapter 5 which is the one part that is most loved by liberal christians. No other qualification. Sincerely, and thank you for accepting this ( in anticipation !!) To devalue Paul from scripture leaves every character of the scriptures vulnerable to being devalued and made of non-effect. HOWEVER, God had kept to Himself and unrevealed response to their rebellion. I think I may have come across a bit rude in my arguments. Letter to the Angelenos God is not egocentric nor sadistic. I grew up listening to Keith Green…a christian musician the late 70s early 80s. While Luke attempts to hide the fact that James was chosen, Paul mistakenly admits it. I am not writing on this page about the Holy Spirit. 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? Yet when I think about it, there are many things in the law that are unloving. You should read your Bible again, George. I cannot go on explaining elementary things like these. Death reigning vs life reigning. God didn’t bind the book. and if your going to say no because we sinned before we came to know Jesus and thats the sins he died for, then your saying that once we believed then for the rest of our life we could not sin? I have been struggling with a lot of contradictory concepts for almost my whole life. as to be as 2 books ie Old Testament versus NEW Testament. That what is impossible God has made possible. this is where we have to be really careful, and this is the problem i have with paul, it is sometimes very hard to decipher what he is saying.. which is a whole other discussion. we establish in 16 that he loved us and sent his son and we must believe in him to be saved But the supposedly “Christian” faith is supposedly centered around Jesus and, no matter who wrote first, the chronology of the events they are supposedly writing about has Jesus appearing first and providing the core teachings of ethics and doctrine on which the faith is supposed to be based. Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! Why god can’t think of any better response than to curse his creation and doesn’t have the grace, decency and understanding to help his imperfect creation improve. It is not about the Nicene Creed, which came centuries later. THAT page is about me, my background and perspective. It was the Catholic church that created a new man made religion. Animals are natural. Wow. But to rebel against the doctrine of the church, instead of the bad clergy, was intentional. But we must also remember that we look back on Abraham Lincoln as being progressive for his time in matters of racial equality, yet while he supported freeing slaves, he also explicitly and repeatedly noted that he acknowledged those of African heritage to be of inferior mental abilities and absolutely opposed intermarriage. And also please ask Jesus to baptize you in the Holy Ghost, because these writings are littered with nothing short of foolishness. Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Contradiction #2 10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God,and they shall reign on the earth.” Rev. who are this people?James and Cephas and John, But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, this the greatest conflict the Grace mixed with the Law of Moses. It is morality we adhere to even when no one, including imaginary sky gods, is watching. Thanks again. Adherence to Torah Law: As the acknowledged leader of the Jerusalem church, James reflects a more traditional Jewish approach to upholding Torah law. (I know from now on few will accept what I am about to write….but if anyone is interested, I will give full account of my words..every one !) His writing may have been inspired but they were definitely influenced by his education. So, I read it. 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