Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has spent his entire career in public office proselytizing for “democratic socialism,” seeking to drive the Democratic Party further to the political left. this point is naive and based on good faith, which may be valid in nordic countries that put less emphasis on material wealth, but in capitalist societies e.g. We can learn from each other in the modern era. As we have passed the 200th anniversary of Marx’s birth. It’s obvious you know nothing about Scandinavia and can only rant at others through a narrow prism of your ignorance. working for usd$8/hr is legal. Ever wonder why there hasn’t been any mass murders at gun shows? Meanwhile the shooter drove for an hour to where these kids were attending a summer camp on a small, isolated island. Auto insurance is a strictly for profit industry & in all but two states, I believe, in which you are required by law to maintain a minimum of liability insurance. May be this article wasn’t meant to do that. Socialism is a political, social, and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management of enterprises. Today, only five countries are considered communist — China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, and Vietnam. What would Sanders' vision of democratic socialism mean for the country? The first thing to mention is the maternity and child care benefits. Things like medicare for all, a functional justice system, an effective government, wealth redistribution policies, etc. Depending on where you get your political news, you’ve probably heard of Scandinavian socialism as either the beacon of hope for the world or the worst thing imaginable. Norway is unquestionably more socialist than Venezuela… Indeed, it is considerably more socialist than supposedly-communist China. As good neighbors they could also lend their support and experience to single parent families. Democratic socialist countries are often found in South America and include Bolivia and Ecuador. The first emergency calls from the kids were drowned out by the ruckus caused by the explosion in the capital city. Your arguement is absurd.”. A gun free zone, where nobody can legally defend themself with a gun. When other people get easier life with more choices, I as well get a better life with more choices. That changed in 1917 when the Bolsheviks stole her family’s business and property. For more information, download the paper for free here, and share widely. and you get treated with the same rights as a natural born citizen. A common response from the left is that socialism (or democratic socialism) works just fine in Sweden, Norway, and Denmark. People talk frequently about socialized health care or single payer system. As for the Sovereign Wealth Fund, it’s certainly true that having a massive amount of money in reserve helps back up a generous welfare state and it’s not an option for most countries. Attribution 2.0 Generic (CC BY 2.0), Nancy Pelosi Attempting to Use Coronavirus to Secure Big Tax Cuts for Blue States, Al Gore Joins Global Elites Calling for Eco-Socialist ‘Great Reset’ Proposal, Washington Post, Bezos’s Propaganda Rag, Praises Communist China, WATCH: Joe Biden’s Disturbing Connections to the Radical Great Reset, Biden’s Treasury Pick Outlines a Truly Radical Agenda, Whole Foods CEO Shreds Socialism, Sends Dire Warning to America, AOC, Other Far-Left Radicals Turn Up the Heat on Biden to Accept Their Socialist Demands, Bernie Sanders Wants to Be Labor Secretary. Your arguement is absurd. Instead, they feed into each other, and the other factors, to create a virtuous circle – everyone’s happy and everyone trust everybody else to keep doing whatever they need to do to keep things happy! Upon visiting Norway, my perspective on government and society has totally changed in terms of what I think is possible. Danes, on the whole, are a also a very disciplined people and laying about on unemployment for a moment longer than necessary is highly frowned upon. I think it’s the simplicity of life, hiking, swimming in lakes, camping in forests etc. After … “The Soviet Union didn’t really practice communism,” some would say. Danes are, on the whole, very intense about work with a strong work ethic and a desire to do really good work. Those who have opined on Marx’s legacy as the 200th anniversary of his birth approaches are glossing over the death and destruction by those who wave the banner of communism. You have freedom from powerty, freedom to chose an education according to your wishes and abilities. How else would you explain the low percentage of murders in Scandinavia? When you’re cold and starving you will realize that it was all part of a cycle, called the “Tytler Cycle”. I realise that you probably won’t read this, and considering how you clearly love guns and conspiracy theories it probably would not make a difference even if you did. Norway; Ireland; New Zealand ... how can anyone compare these top 10 socialist countries,or any countries to the united states. Furthermore, the west calls this socialist or democratic socialist (although, I agree with you, that it is incorrect) is because of the free education and healthcare which wasn’t really discussed that much in this article. Over the past few years, socialism has gained traction in the U.S. political discourse, primarily due to self-avowed democratic socialists constantly touting the so-called Scandinavian socialist miracle. This is absurdly inaccurate. Looking across the board, the average minimum wage in each country tends to be much higher than those that are mandated by other governments that have taken a blanket approach. Scandinavia and the Nordic countries can be best described as social democracies. The literal definition that people both citizens as well as government pass off is EXACTLY the same definition as Marx and Engels described it as in the 19th century. Bernie Sanders has single-handedly brought the term democratic socialism into the contemporary American political lexicon and shaken millions of Millennials out of their apathy towards politics. Because before 2011 there had never been a mass shooting or big-scale terrorist attack in Norway. But, the truth is real-world capitalist countries have less of these anti-social behaviors (both other-victim and self-victim) than less capitalistic countries. Today, Denmark, Norway, and Sweden are, in many ways, freer than citizens in the United States. Well for that we need to delve into the history books. The World Happiness Report ranks countries according to how happy their citizens say they are. All rights reserved, https://stoppingsocialism.com/author/ctalgo/, Cookie Policy (U.S.) and Do Not Sell Information Requests, Are Denmark, Norway, and Sweden ‘Socialist’ Nations? Latin America: 150,000 deaths Let me quote one of our brilliant founding fathers who contributed to our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Surveys of immigrants shows comparable levels of happiness to the native population. Also, about the unions bargaining for better pay is normally what happens in majority of the democracies world wide. I mean… if people weren’t allowed to have guns, there wouldn’t be any shooting, would there? Eastern Europe: 1 million deaths Possibly sending us into the dark age and the end of modern civilization as we know it. No, it is indeed because every far left idiot claims the Scandanavian countries are socialist. Budget is balanced annually. I live and work in Denmark. It's also a much better place to live than the United States. I’m not anti-Norway or any Scandinavian country or even anti-social democracy neither am I strictly pro-capitalist. Back; About. Not sure how anyone defines democratic socialism or what the difference is. It’s still a subversion of the individual, only different branding. I don’t know where you got the idea that the shooter of July 2011 was an “ardent criminal” because he had no criminal history whatsoever, which was one of the reasons he was not under any sort of surveilance. Once they finally got through the police responded as quickly as they possibly could have considering they were going in blind not knowing how many terrorists were on the island and whether the shooting was linked to the explosions or not. The Scandinavian countries all have far-left parties. . View source Socialism features a centrally planned economy, not simply a large government that collects high taxes, like Denmark. Your son is living a happy life and good luck to him. The right always wants to paint others as the bad guys. He talked about the holidays everyone takes and their importance. At the last Norwegian election the Socialist Left party got 6% of the vote. And that’s why arguing for or against the Nordic Model misses the point completely. Show your support in a more concrete way. Born in Saint Petersburg, Russia in 1905, Alisa Rosenbaum, who is known by the name of Ayn Rand, experienced the evils of communism first hand. You think I’m lying or spreading false propaganda, explain why someone who slaughtered almost one hundred children and adults initially only got 21 years in prison? The Nordic model comprises the economic and social policies as well as typical cultural practices common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden). Me, for example, I don’t have kids, but yet I would be forced into paying for everyone else’s kids. Nancy Pelosi never lets a good crisis go to waste, which is precisely why she’s working so hard now to try to […], On Friday, June 19, climate activist and former Vice President Al Gore joined the growing list of high-profile world leaders calling for […], In August 2020,The Washington Post—which is owned by the world’s richest man, Jeff Bezos—ran a story with the headline: “Trump views China’s […]. Why? He didn’t say conservatives labeled Nordic countries socialist, he said conservatives mislabeled social safety nets and well funded public services socialist, that they did so in an effort to smear those policies, but that doing so had the side effect of making the Nordic system “socialist” by the (fallacious) definition conservatives used to describe policies they don’t like. They start work and pay taxes instead. Schools and places of worship in the United States are almost entirely “gun free zones”, where law abiding citizens may not legally carry arms to defend themselves, thus gun control IS to blame, and thus your reasoning regarding the number of guns in the US related to mass murder does not make any sense. This is an assumption many non-Norwegians make, especially from North America. This arrangment make the economy adaptable, because in times of crisis , people take the risk off creating new kind of businesses. It has a capital of … We should take time to honor the victims of communism and remember that collectivism, no matter which form it takes, should be rejected, regardless of who is selling it. I do think the common person doesn’t want to be on some sort of welfare yet I think it’s also common for people to do it with no care and blame others for their need to be on welfare. The government oversees the livelihood of everyday citizens which by all definition includes massive gun control and rights, Likewise, this same government can’t even begin to withhold sick individuals and ardent criminals from acquiring massive weaponry. I have an “adopted” Swedish exchange student from many years ago. I can agree with some of ideals that are mentioned in this article. When police responders had the attacker dead to rights, they simply told him to lie down. With all respect, ignorant people that think like you do and vote are the most dangerous to our liberty. Or at least, it wouldn’t be easy. Employees are well looked after and paid well for their work. I also don’t know where you got the idea that the government knew an organized attack was underway that summer, because that is a blatant lie. It is clear that you don’t appreciate any culture than white. The Crime Prevention Research Center also concluded that in any city or even entire country in the world that has banned guns, crime actually increased, not decreased, for the same reasons. Norway, Denmark, and Sweden are not democratic socialist countries that the U.S. can be accurately compared with, and could be better described as “compassionate capitalists.” The Nordic countries — Finland, Norway, and Sweden — are social democracies. While the Scandinavian countries are in many ways very different, they share a lot of common history. Google “regjeringskvartalet skader” and you can see the damage this caused for yourself. Here in the United States we have had 6 yr olds slaughtered in their classrooms. Reflecting on her experience with communism and those who defend the ideas put forward by Marx, Rand wrote, “When, at the age of twelve, at the time of the Russian revolution, I first heard the Communist principle that Man must exist for the sake of the State, I perceived that this was the essential issue, that this principle was evil, and that it could lead to nothing but evil, regardless of any methods, details, decrees, policies, promises and pious platitudes. Arab cultures had many advances in the past from which Europeans learned. The argument, therefore, is that if Scandinavian countries adopted a more US-style of capitalism with smaller government, they would be even more productive and richer. © 2020 that are the big difference in how Norwegians spend their leisure time that make for a satisfied society. “Laws that forbid the possession of arms serve to encourage homicides rather than to prevent homicides…for an unarmed man can be attacked with much greater confidence than an armed man.” It would do everyone some good to study history, for it just repeats itself over and over again. you can come here legally or illegally. There are really strong regulations, and people who do not meet the “criteria”, are not able to have guns. When I sit back and look at what countries I would like to live in they are all western countries. A recent survey suggested conducted on behalf of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation found that some, particularly millennials, have a preference for collectivist economic systems — communism, fascism, and socialism. Nor do these countries impose inheritance taxes. The one key thing not discussed is Scandinavian military and its place in the world stage. All systems have positives and negatives and Scandinavian countries are no exception. Infrastructure was top notch. Is Germany Socialist? If there was a thermonuclear version of wrong, you would be seeing a giant mushroom cloud. The reason his official sentence was so low is that the Norwegian juristic system is heavily based around the idea of rehabilitation (21 years is actually our maximum penalty) and thus was unprepared to deal with a crime of this magnitude. They control most of the wealth in the country, so conservatives are fat and happy., What the left wants is freedom to reap our fair share of the economy, not what the conservatives want to hand out. Unfortunately, those of us that study history have to relive the horrors of history because of those that don’t study it. “Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely”, Josh do you reside in the U.S. & own any personal property? The US has a standing military to both positive and negative reasons for lack of a better phrase. Social security in Scandinavia is more generous than pretty much anywhere else. The Danish government is large, spending around half of the country’s GDP, but it is not a socialist country; in fact, it is very much pro-free market. Taxes are high but so are wages. Why? The two weapons he used were legally aquired and registerd to be used for hunting. 96.2% of mass murders occur in “Gun Free Zones” according to the Crime Prevention Research Center, which includes the schools and places of worship that you mention. Search for country or area About. Let us tell you the truth of how it really is and let these countries inspire the world! It’s also true, however, that the SWF is mostly a fund for the future. Please only comment if you have traveled to Scandanavia! We do take control of global situations for our own longevity and interest however we’re also asked upon to provide military/financial support across the globe. And everything that was just argued let to the Norway slaughter in July 2011. 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Vietnam: 1 million deaths Despite talking points spouted by the far Left, the Nordic nations do not have federal minimum wages, job guarantees, or many of the cradle-to-grave entitlement programs progressives and socialists are constantly calling for. That’s pretty much what Marx and Engels came up with in the 19th century. You clearly know very little about my country and even less about the events of July 2011. It also suggests that simply adopting their economic policies would not necessarily produce the same result elsewhere. Less stressful people make them capable of participating in a large variety of organizations, thus creating even more positive activities and bonds between people from different economic parts of society. It could well be that this is fostered by the system that made them. Tax rates are also fairly flat so even medium and lower income households pay relatively high levels of tax compared with the progressive systems in most Western countries. Denmark currently has a minority government headed by the liberal centre-right party "Left". The reason people in America think that Norway is socialist is because, for decades, conservatism has been calling the things that Norway has “socialist”. Soviet Union: 20 million deaths Please educate yourself instead of throwing out enough of a comment that wouldn’t make up a regular sentence on paper then couple that with insults due to your lack of knowledge hence your needing to lash out like a child. Her family owned a successful pharmacy and enjoyed a comfortable lifestyle. Actually, to start with, what do we mean by socialism? Denmark is not a socialist nation, says its prime minister. They opened Pandora’s box, and are now complaining about how they can’t close it again. It’s impossible to put this down to simple genetics. There’s no doubt that Scandinavians are happier with their lives than most of the rest of the world. It’s true that Norway has a higher degree of state-ownership of ‘the means of production’ than most countries, thanks to its oil economy and the state-owned energy company. Not everyone is greedy and it is actually not normal but rather conditioned. In recent decades, all three of these countries have actually abandoned some of their failed experiments with socialistic policies in favor of reduced regulations, less-comprehensive welfare programs, and several other free-market reforms. So, which is it? Denmark is a market economy." So tell me, whose the real monster…. Proponents of the Nordic Model would argue that productivity and economic growth are not necessarily the be all and end all of society. I hate to burst your bubble but you’re already being forced to help everyone else’s kids when you pay property taxes because a percentage of that goes to funding the public school system in your area. Many countries have the opposite problem. The government knew an organized attack was underway in 2011, and couldn’t even muster simple air support to respond to children being shot at will. This includes a comprehensive welfare state and multi-level collective bargaining based on the economic foundations of social corporatism, with a high percentage of the workforce unionized and a large … Countries & Areas. Another thing that detractors of the Nordic Model like to point to is that the system might actually be getting in the way of the people. If you really believe that the underprivileged matter this should seem like an obvious thing to do. Low levels of trust in government and high corruption feed into each other to lower trust and increase corruption. Norway, or rather the Nordic countries, are far from socialist. It might help ease the transition to an older population and the outsourcing of labour but for now, it’s not the reason that makes the Nordic Model work in Norway! Photo by Håkan Dahlström / dahlstroms.com. 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